Monday, June 13, 2005

true love

So I was listening to Outright Radio, a gay/lesbian/etc. radio show on PRI (it's been cancelled, apparently, but they still run old ones), and they had a couple of interesting segments about non-traditional couples, talking about marriage.

One lesbian, tired of the old-fashioned 2-people-till-death-do-us-part thing, and very happy with her friendship with an ex-lover, had this to say:

"(ME) HERE’S THE deal; I think we shoud get our twenty people and we should get everybody put in a 1000 dollars (or like five hundred dollars poss cut) and we should have a big fricking commitment ceremony. (J laughing) OK.. that’s a great idea… (E) the question is, why would that be frightening to anyone, the idea of committing to twenty loved ones, the idea of saying I’m in this until our teeth fall out, until we’re old and grey and wrinkly… and what’s that going to look like?" She said that she did not believe that humans were meant to mate for life - instead, she believes we are more clannish creatures.

In describing this mass commitment ceremony, she was taking to its extreme her idea that love should be shared with community. She believed the friendship of ex-lovers in the gay community was an ideal that people of all orientations should aspire to. I can dig that, as I can dig the equality ideal that gay relationships seem to project.

I, however, have to admit I would be a little frightened of a mass commitment ceremony. I've always thought of big groups of people, loving each other, as orgies. Or, at least, the seventies.

On the other side of the coin, the show did a segment on a married couple. Not just any couple, though, a woman and a transgendered man (post-op - he was now a female). Though the (original) woman was straight, she believed in "till death do us part." The new-to-female woman described meeting her future wife at a dance. He (male at the time - sorry, this is very confusing to write) had been in a dating rut, and had decided to only date women who met certain criteria. This particular woman met none of those criteria, but he Knew she was the One. This Officer's Ball meeting ( I swear I didn't make that up) is the stuff of fairy tales, or at least a really good chick movie.

As the story went on, it grew stranger, complete with religious epiphanies (the couple are steadfast, somewhat disturbingly zealous Christians) and sex-change operations. I have to believe the (original) woman got the raw end of the deal in this - she admitted to missing family who had disowned them, not to mention missing having a man in her life. She didn't sound miserable though, she laughed good-naturedly about problems that would make others hit the road. For her, marriage vows were paramount. Perhaps things would be different, had the minister said, "Till death or sex-change operation do you part". Clearly this couple felt strongly about staying with one person for life.

So there's two points of view - what's yours? Is forever-love too high an ideal to even aspire to? Is "the One" simply "the one that was there when I wanted to find 'the One'" - something for religious zealots and simpleminded folk?

And when do we become too cynical? Is "love that passes" (J Joyce) really enough?


My only answer so far is this: women (or at least, I) spend way too much time creating and revising our philosophies on love.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long and rambly... sorry.

I know a few people whose ideal lifestyle would be a communal living arrangement, with partners being whoever they want, in whatever combinations they desire, as long as everyone's open about it. Mutual parenting, that sort of thing. I think that's kind of weird, but I hate living with people. (Except Ben, but that's different.)

I don't see why one-plus-one is so magic, really. It's nice, but why not three, or four, or two pairs, together? Not everyone is wired that way, and societal norms only reinforce 1(m)+1(w)=twue wuv, so anyone who loves differently feels that it's somehow wrong.

One friend of mine realized she was polyamorous in early high school (I want to say 91 or 92, but I didn't know her then.) She was dating someone at the same time as she became interested in his best friend. This made her rather upset, to the verge of drastic measures. But somehow, she came to realize that her loving Guy B didn't reduce her love for guy A, and the three of them worked something out. She and Guy A broke up at New Year's 99/00, amicably. She and Guy B are still together, and she briefly Somethinged with another guy (a mutual friend), but she's got medical problems which are their focus right now.

I don't know. I had a sort-of relationship with a guy friend a couple years ago, but nothing ever came of it. Ben was completely aware, and when I spent 2 weeks visiting him and his roommates (other friends), it didn't bother him. But nothing happened anyway. He and his girlfriend were having some relationship issues (she wanted to date a second guy, and he was against it.)

Poly makes things more complicated, but there's comfort in knowing that because your partner finds someone else attractive, it won't be impetus for him/her to leave you.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Kim said...

That's really interesting. Actually, I think if you looked at my inner wiring, it would spell out "Really Fucking Jealous". I remember seeing my boyfriend-at-the-time's ex-girlfriend at the DMV (just another reason to hate it), and freaking out because she had told you that he had kissed her on the first date (he at that point hadn't kissed me yet). I was practically physically ill. I can barely stomach a love interest having a past, let alone a present, with someone else. I keep telling myself that someday, someone's going to think that's cute, not crazy. Though I kind of doubt it. I also kind of doubt my other theory, that True Love will somehow erase my neurotic, jealous tendencies, and bliss will ensue.
I'm not sure such a thing as True Love exists, but I like believing in ideal things. It can bite you in the ass when you try to compare your life to the ideal, but they help remind us that little moments of perfection do exist. In romantic movies, the magical moments are wrapped up in boy meets girl, wedding days, first kisses, etc. But my magic moments have been more like - The Day I Discovered I Can See the Fireworks from My Porch, or The Night I Realized I Was Ok with Being Alone, or The Day I Realized I Was Not Going to Flunk Out of Grad School. They'll probably never make a movie out of any of those days, but they're special to me.

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, yeah, not everyone is cut out for it. Or every relationship... it takes a lot of trust in your partner.

Sometimes I wonder if the cultural expectation of One True Love or whatever fosters jealousy, you know? Like, all the romantic stories and movies have this couple that is all super happy and overcoming familial whatever to be together. Or soap operas. (I had the misfortune of leaving the TV on while I was making gazpacho for tonight, and a soap opera came on. Guh.) 80% of soap opera plots would vanish -- they're all "Blake loves Brooke, but he's married to Yvette, and he loves her, but OHNOES Brooke's husband is going to leave her and she's going to go back to Blake! What will they do??!"

Obviously, "be a happy triad" isn't an answer...

Could this whole cultural one-plus-one-only-ever idea contribute to feelings of jealousy in any relationship? Because we hear so many stories of Girlfriend (or Boyfriend) flipping out because they saw SO talking to someone of the opposite sex. Or, as was asked on a BBS I frequented once, "Do you IM/chat/email with men other than your husband? Does he know?" I mean, really. I mostly know guys, and I don't have to tell Ben everything I do every minute of the day. He's not my master; he's my partner. You'd think that since feminism came along and women got the right to vote, equality between marriage partners wouldn't be that radical a notion, but apparently it is, because I got some horrified responses on that BBS.

12:24 PM  
Blogger Kim said...

Hmm, if the discussion topic was sexual, I would understand them being disturbed, but otherwise, that's really weird.

I attribute the problem of jealousy with people feeling that they always NEED to be with someone. I mean, if you really want someone else, leave whomever you're with, and go be with someone else. If you want to stay with your sig other, stay with them, and either forget the other person, or work out some sort of
agreement, if you're into that. But for goodness' sakes, be honest.

I think people are just scared of being alone, so they sneak around and play games to "keep" the other person. To me, that's where the cultural stuff comes in - the idea that everybody has to come in pairs makes people feel they need to at least have the facade of a sig. other going, to exsist in society. Granted, though, being honest in relationships is not easy.

Actually, the 1+1 ideal can be very helpful in ending bad relationships. You can't do that as easily with friendships and such. And at least you can break up with people in romantic relationships. When a friendship become draining and more difficult than it's worth, you can't just say, "I really like you, but I just don't feel like you're my One True Friend. Can we just be aquaintences?"

8:50 AM  

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